Ken Davis is joined by the Reader’s Maya Dukmasova to discuss her recent profile of attorney Dan Herbert, who represents many police officers. Herbert tells Dukmasova that he doesn’t believe that policing is institutionally or structurally racist. Although people of color are disproportionately mistreated, and sometimes killed, he says, it’s because police stand at the end of a long chain of government intercessions in peoples’ lives. And, Dukmosava reports, he believes police are unfairly taken to task for bias against African-Americans when the real discrimination is perpetrated by politicians and policymakers at other levels of the state. This program was produced by Chicago Access Network Television (CAN TV).